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Mon, Apr. 30th, 2007, 08:40 pm
alias_sqbr: Fan Comics

Two of the online communities I'm somewhat involved in are webcomics and fanfiction. Both have fairly active participation, a lot of broad discussion and tutorials etc. But it recently struck me that I've only ever seen the odd, isolated example of the crossover, fancomics.

A little while ago I posted about this to webcomics but didn't get much response. Since then I've created a Fan Fiction page and category at Comixpedia, a webcomics wiki. (Is there an equivalent fanfiction wiki?)

To somewhat repeat my post: The huge majority of what I have found is to some extent a continuation of the japanese culture of "Dôjinshi" fancomics. It's possible I'm just looking in the wrong places but afaict there's not much of a culture of writing fancomics based on two of the the non-manga staples of both webcomics and fanfiction, ie fantasy and science fiction. Stuff like Star Trek and Star Wars etc.

Anyway: is it just that I don't know where to look, or is there simply not that much of this sort of thing out there? Or there is, but they're not organised? Any ideas as to why the genre isn't more popular? I mean personally I'm not that desperate to read it(*), I'm just curious.

(*) I think I'd prefer comics based on my favourite books (the Vorkosigan Series for example), but given how little fanfiction there is for those I think expecting comics would be overly optimisitic! My excuse for going to so much effort for something I don't actually care about that much is that finishing my Phd has left me with excess research energy :)

EDIT AGAIN: Wow, thanks for all the examples! If there's any more and you're feeling really enthusiastic you can create a page about the comic (adding it to the Fan Fiction category of course :))

EDIT AGAIN AGAIN: So someone deleted the links, and I guess it was getting a bit long. Having nowhere else to put them, I put them on my user page. Also I made a page at fanlore (which, if you're reading this, is probably where you've come from. Hello :))

Mon, Apr. 30th, 2007 01:00 pm (UTC)
scifantasy

There aren't a whole lot of fancomics, no. Bob And George is the big exception, and I think that may have to do with its nature as a sprite comic.

I suspect that what you get is, if someone has the courage to post his or her art online, he or she will make his or her own webcomic, instead of mimicking a preexisting one; homages and references, and especially crossovers, are not uncommon.

(...A Vorkosigan comic, or better yet GN, would be incredibly cool...and probably next to impossible.)

Mon, Apr. 30th, 2007 01:29 pm (UTC)
alias_sqbr

Yet what about all the talented writers who happily stick to fanfic? Or artists who make fanart? Why are comics different? There's even illustrated fanfic like shoebox_project and puzzlebleuink so the talent is there(*), all that seems to be missing is the will to apply those talents to comics.

But of course your'e right, they don't write them. Maybe "people who feel like writing derivative works" and "people who express themselves via comics" just have a disproportionately small intersection.

Hmm. According to it's page, Bob and George is satire which isn't quite the same thing as fanfiction. I did find a fair number of fancomics, just less than I was expecting given the inasane amount of webcomics and fanfic out there.

Anway, thanks for your thoughts!

Also, yes, Bujold Graphic Novels are definietly on list of "Things which would be totally awesome and will never exist" :) (I did ponder adapting her works to comic form but it was All Too Hard)

(*)Well...if I'm honest I'll admit that I know from experience that writing and drawing a comic is not the same as writing and illustrating a story. But it does have a lot of the same base skills.
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Tue, May. 1st, 2007 12:52 am (UTC)
alias_sqbr

No, they definitely count.

Interestingly, before clicking on your link I thought "That's right, I read that cool House fancomic before"..and it wasn't either of them. So I guess there is a fair bit of this stuff out there :)
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Mon, Apr. 30th, 2007 01:19 pm (UTC)
astridv

I'm drawing fancomics based on tv fandoms. So far X-files and Buffy/Angel. One is actually a (collaborative) crossover fancomic crossing the show itself and the official comic-spinoff thereof. If you're interested, I'll be happy to provide links (don't know if that's appropriate here).

So far I have found very little comics artwork in fandom, which I find strange.

Mon, Apr. 30th, 2007 01:24 pm (UTC)
astridv

Oh, I forgot, jwaneeta draws Torchwood cartoons, yhlee has drawn an Angel comic. Again, I can dig up the links if you like.

Mon, Apr. 30th, 2007 01:34 pm (UTC)
commievampire

I've seen a fair amount of fancomics. Usually based on LJ, often very bad.

Mon, Apr. 30th, 2007 02:04 pm (UTC)
alias_sqbr

And this is different to other webcomics how? :)

Yes, the more I look into it the more i realise there are a lot of fancomics out there, they're just scattered all over the place and hard to find. Which then makes me wonder why (again, afaict) theres so little organisation. I mean there seems to be a livejournal community for every possible niche of fanfic/fanart. If I had a paid account and wasn't totally burned off ever being a mod again I'd be very tempted to start fancomics and see what happened :)

Mon, Apr. 30th, 2007 01:36 pm (UTC)
amazon_syren

Congrats on finishing your PhD. :-D

Re: Your actual post-topic:
The Monstrous Regiment fandom has a few scattered fan-comics (one-shot strips) -- by which I mean, like, two or three -- but they get classified under 'fan-art', rather than fic or specifically fan-comics. If you did, say, a deviant art search (or something - I don't actually know if this is possible) for fanart and then narrowed the search to specifically comics, you might find something.
(I'm not sure how, or even if, one can narrow an art-search to a specific fandom, but if it can be done, you could give it a try. :-)

Mon, Apr. 30th, 2007 03:17 pm (UTC)
kayjayuu

iheartdarth was fab. There was another one about Brokeback Mountain whose name I can't recall, based on the same type of comic. Really good.

Mon, Apr. 30th, 2007 03:46 pm (UTC)
tears_of_nienna

Pssst: It was actually iharthdarth. :)

Mon, Apr. 30th, 2007 04:23 pm (UTC)
allie_meril

I second that about iharthdarth.

Mmm, Kasiopea has some great Tolkien-based comics, The Fortunes of Boromir II, that were heavily inspired by Calvin & Hobbes. They're fantastic, I love 'em. :)

Wed, May. 2nd, 2007 10:11 am (UTC)
alias_sqbr

Thanks! Those are cute little comics :)

Mon, Apr. 30th, 2007 04:32 pm (UTC)
kompy

Safe to say you're asking for work safe fancomics? Because I've seen quite a few of the non-worksafe kind, not always done by manga/anime fans.

Worksafe, though? I know I used to follow both a Kingdom Hearts-inspired fancomic and a Pokemon one in both DeviantArt and FurAffinity, respectfully. I think the problem is exactly what you mentioned before: that if there ARE fancomics out there, most aren't exactly organized any place that'd be easy to wade though for *just* that (DA I think has a fan-comic/doujin category now, but that can only do so much. And as of this writing FA doesn't even HAVE a search...and non-worksafe comics are a rarity there anyway). If an artist wants to start a fan-project, good chance they'll keep it in their own archives rather than a gallery meant for such works. Though I'm mostly speculating, being an artist myself (but not a comic one, not yet anyway).

Tue, May. 1st, 2007 11:02 am (UTC)
alias_sqbr

Heh. The worksafe thing hadn't occurred to me, thanks for pointing that out. I'm not sure what the comixpedia policy is, and I'm a gen fan myself, but for the sake of completeness would be curious to see links to any worthwhile ones you know of :) (assuming fanthropology is ok with that sort of thing, which it looks like it would be as long as you mark them NSFW)

I checked out DeviantART and they do have a fancomics category but it's all over the place and hard to navigate. Then again I don't use DeviantART much so maybe that's just my newbiness showing!

Mon, Apr. 30th, 2007 06:17 pm (UTC)
anarchicq

I do the fan sprite crossover comic FRIENDS 4 EVER!!!!, a Soul Calibur/Silent Hill/Hunter:The Reckoning/DooM crossover.
Then of course there's abe_kroenen.

I've considered turning one of my Silent Hill fanfics into a comic, but I don't have an artist who'd be interested.

Wed, May. 2nd, 2007 10:20 am (UTC)
alias_sqbr

Ooh, and I see you added it to the wiki for me! Noone else did that, yay you :)

And abe_kroenen is awesome.

Mon, Apr. 30th, 2007 06:59 pm (UTC)
whatistigerbalm

Since I'm involved in the creation of a fancomic right now, I find this post extremely interesting. Have memoried, will come back with a non-rushed reply; just wanted to say yay, thanks!

Wed, May. 2nd, 2007 10:25 am (UTC)
alias_sqbr

Heh. It's largely the moments of "Yay! I'm not the only person interested in this" that makes me meta in the first place :)

Mon, Apr. 30th, 2007 07:21 pm (UTC)
jeriendhal

Well, scarfman draws daily fanwebcomics crossing over everything from Doctor Who to MASH, but they're more in the nature of one-off gags rather than continuing storylines.

Now I'm wondering how to classify much of my fanfiction, which is text based off of chaypeta's webcomic Terinu (with occasional crossovers into SG-1 and Bujold's Vorkosigan books)

Wed, May. 2nd, 2007 10:25 am (UTC)
alias_sqbr

How I managed to miss scarfman's comics page when he was one of the two people who commented on my first post I don't know. Fixed now!

I would call them fanfic. I don't see that writing it about a comic is any wierder than a tv show or video game, at least some of your original text is in prose form :)

Mon, Apr. 30th, 2007 08:43 pm (UTC)
amarin_rose

Hm..... As I am now in DC Comics fandom, I can really only tell you about the DCU fanworks. There are fancomics, but not a lot; most of them are short one-offs, not serial things. Probably because DCU is already a comic, so I guess some artists are daunted by that? Whereas fanfiction is different because its written, or something?

Wed, May. 2nd, 2007 10:46 am (UTC)
alias_sqbr

Also I guess with mainstream comics there's a strong divide between artists and writers, and since it's pretty tricky to get an unpublished script turned into a comic people stick to fanart and fanfiction. Maybe. Unravelling causes of this sort of stuff is tricky, but that doesn't mean we can't speculate :)

Mon, Apr. 30th, 2007 08:48 pm (UTC)
angiepen

[Here from metafandom. [wave]]

Aside from iharthdarth, which was great, I also enjoyed kenobi_explains. It was a bit uneven but there were some hilarious strips. BlueGhost!Qui-Gon is such a shit, LOL!

Also, there's this page here, Serenity Tales, which has a collection of Firefly and Serenity comics, some of which are excellent and all of which are at least worth a read.

Angie

Tue, May. 1st, 2007 01:43 am (UTC)
alias_sqbr

Ooh! Awesome, thanks! Being metafandomed is great, a bunch of intelligent people come and think smarter, more well informed versions of my thoughts for me :)

Mon, Apr. 30th, 2007 09:51 pm (UTC)
verdictlesslife

As I'm currently completely enamored with Final Fantasy, I can contribute some links to comics that I read. What's notable about the first three is that they're all comics based on fanfiction - circle in a circle sort of deal, I guess!
Growth
Sunshine in Winter
Sink to the Bottom with You
Final Fantasy High School

As far as comics for other fandoms go, I remember there being a number of Harry Potter LJ comics a couple of years ago - like miinty_sticks and _hdcomic (which now seems to be deleted). Also, I think there are a few House comics around - every once in a while I see a userpic with stick-figure House characters.

Wed, May. 2nd, 2007 10:44 am (UTC)
alias_sqbr

Yeah, I found a site that turns gargoyles fanfiction into comics, but on the whole that sort of thing seems pretty rare.

And oh, are there ever House comics.

Mon, Apr. 30th, 2007 10:48 pm (UTC)
muscatlove

(Here from metafandom too. ^^)

Well, if you're a fan of anime/manga, I know that kosquarepelli has done some of the most hilarious webcomics I've ever read over at Just a Little Ecchi. They're mostly CLAMP series-related (X, Cardcaptor Sakura, etc) or Prince of Tennis, but she is not only very talented but has an amazing sense of humor as well. She hasn't updated so much lately because of grad school, but her stuff is mostly one-shots so it doesn't matter much. :)

Wed, May. 2nd, 2007 10:45 am (UTC)
alias_sqbr

Those are cute, thanks.